Whose in a relative clause: van wie, wiens, wier and waarvan
Use neutral van wie, formal wiens or wier, and waarvan for things to express possession inside a relative clause.
Neutral Dutch normally uses van wie to connect a person to a possessed noun inside a relative clause: de huurder van wie het contract afloopt (the tenant whose contract is expiring). Formal writing may use wiens or wier, while a thing or organisation normally takes waarvan: het gebouw waarvan het dak wordt hersteld (the building whose roof is being repaired).
How do you say whose in a Dutch relative clause?
For a person, make van wie + determiner + noun your neutral production pattern. Recognise wiens/wier + noun as the formal written pattern. For a non-human thing or organisation, use waarvan + determiner + noun.
- Identify the possessor: a person, several people, or a non-human entity.
- Choose van wie for a person in neutral writing or careful speech: de arts van wie het advies doorslaggevend was (the doctor whose advice was decisive).
- Choose formal wiens for one male person and formal wier for one female person or several people; choose waarvan for a thing or organisation.
- Keep the possessed noun phrase complete: van wie de fiets, waarvan het bestuur, but wiens fiets and wier bestuur without an article between the genitive form and noun.
| Possessor | Neutral or usual form | Formal recognition form | Example |
|---|---|---|---|
| one or more people | van wie | wiens/wier | de bewoners van wie de klacht is behandeld (the residents whose complaint was handled) |
| thing or organisation | waarvan | archaic welks/welker is outside this production page | de stichting waarvan de voorzitter vertrekt (the foundation whose chair is leaving) |
Why is van wie the neutral choice for people?
Language-advice sources prefer van wie in neutral written Dutch and careful speech. It works for a male person, a female person, and several people without requiring a gender form: de vader van wie de auto is gestolen, de zangeres van wie het optreden is uitgesteld, and de deelnemers van wie de gegevens ontbreken.
| Part | Function in de kandidaat van wie het diploma ontbreekt |
|---|---|
| de kandidaat | the possessor and antecedent |
| van wie | the relative possession link |
| het diploma | the possessed noun phrase, with its own article |
| ontbreekt | the finite verb at the end of the relative clause |
Van wie stands at the start of the relative clause, while the possessed noun phrase follows inside that clause. If the noun is an object, other material may intervene: de architect van wie we gisteren het ontwerp hebben goedgekeurd (the architect whose design we approved yesterday).
How do formal wiens and wier differ?
In the traditional formal system, the form follows the possessor named by the antecedent, not the gender or number of the possessed noun. Use wiens for one male person and wier for one female person or for plural people. Both forms occur mainly in formal written language.
| Antecedent possessor | Formal form | Example |
|---|---|---|
| one male person | wiens | de onderzoeker wiens rapport is gepubliceerd (the male researcher whose report was published) |
| one female person | wier | de onderzoekster wier rapport is gepubliceerd (the female researcher whose report was published) |
| several people | wier | de onderzoekers wier rapport is gepubliceerd (the researchers whose report was published) |
Modern usage is not perfectly uniform, especially with a neuter noun for a person such as het meisje: descriptive sources attest both wiens and wier. Neutral van wie avoids that unstable edge case. Even where the traditional distinction is clear, do not upgrade the formal forms into the everyday default.
When do you use waarvan?
Use waarvan when the possessor is a thing, institution, or organisation: het rapport waarvan de conclusie is aangepast (the report whose conclusion was revised), de school waarvan het dak lekt (the school whose roof leaks), and de vereniging waarvan de leden stemmen (the association whose members vote).
Waarvan also occurs for people, especially in informal language. For neutral or careful reference to people, prefer van wie; keep waarvan as the straightforward production choice for non-human antecedents. This is a register preference, not a claim that person-referring waarvan is impossible.
What will you hear in informal speech?
Informal spoken Dutch can use wie z'n for a male singular possessor and, in the Netherlands, wie d'r for a female singular possessor: de buurman wie z'n fiets buiten staat and de buurvrouw wie d'r fiets buiten staat. These relative patterns are less common than the corresponding questions and are not the forms to choose in neutral written work.
How are diens and dier related?
Diens and dier are demonstrative genitive forms, not relative links, but they belong to the same formal recognition layer. Formal diens can prevent ambiguity by pointing to a previously mentioned male person who is not the subject: De manager sprak met Karim over diens voorstel. Here diens voorstel means Karim's proposal, not the manager's.
Traditional dier was the female-singular and plural counterpart of diens. It is now rare and highly formal. Ordinary haar, hun, or a phrase with van is normally clearer. Modern diens is also used by some people beyond its traditional masculine role, including for non-binary reference, but that extension is not universally interpreted the same way; follow the person's preference or rewrite clearly.
When to use each pattern
- Use van wie + determiner + noun as the neutral pattern for a human possessor.
- Recognise wiens + noun for one male person in formal prose.
- Recognise wier + noun for one female person or several people in the traditional formal system.
- Use waarvan + determiner + noun for a thing, institution, or organisation.
- Treat wie z'n/wie d'r as informal speech and diens/dier as a separate formal or archaic recognition layer.
Mistakes to avoid
- Do not choose wiens or wier from the possessed noun: in de onderzoekers wier rapport, plural onderzoekers controls wier, not singular rapport.
- Do not insert an article after wiens or wier: write wiens contract, not wiens het contract.
- Do keep the determiner after van wie and waarvan: van wie het contract, waarvan de ingang.
- Do not present wiens/wier as more correct than neutral van wie; their main modern role is formal recognition.
- Do not call person-referring waarvan impossible; it occurs informally, although van wie is the safer neutral choice.
See also
Review relative clauses with a preposition, ordinary relative die and dat, and possession with van and -s. Compare the ordinary possessive pronouns outside a relative clause.
- Choose the neutral form for a person: *Dit is de kandidaat ___ het diploma nog ontbreekt.*
- waarvan
- van wie
- wier
- wiens het
Neutral written Dutch and careful speech prefer *van wie*: *de kandidaat van wie het diploma nog ontbreekt*.
- Choose the traditional formal form: *de onderzoekers ___ gezamenlijke advies is gepubliceerd*.
- wiens
- wier
- van wat
- wie zijn
The possessor *de onderzoekers* is plural, so the traditional formal form is *wier*, regardless of singular *advies*.
- Choose the usual form for a non-human organisation: *de stichting ___ de voorzitter aftreedt*.
- van wie
- wie z'n
- waarvan
- wier
For a thing or organisation, use *waarvan*: *de stichting waarvan de voorzitter aftreedt*.
- Which description of *de buurman wie z'n fiets buiten staat* is accurate?
- It is the preferred neutral written form.
- It is an informal spoken relative pattern.
- It is a formal alternative with *wier*.
- It can only refer to an organisation.
Relative *wie z'n* occurs in informal speech. Neutral writing normally uses *de buurman van wie de fiets ...*.
- In *De directeur sprak met Omar over diens aanvraag*, whose application does *diens* identify in the intended disambiguating use?
- The director's application
- Omar's application
- Both applications together
- No person's application
Formal *diens* can point to the previously mentioned non-subject male person, here Omar, and thereby avoid ambiguous *zijn*.
Test yourself
Question 1 of 5
Choose the neutral form for a person: Dit is de kandidaat ___ het diploma nog ontbreekt.